I bought these for my son. He had a set of broken mismatched high end cymbals including a borrowed older 22" Zildjian K Heavy Ride. He likes the new I series cymbals. He said they are fine, but he said the ride is really loud and piercing. He doesn't care for it and will be buying a better ride. I've listened to the older cymbals myself compared to these and my personal opinion is that I like the sound of the dark and the heavy cymbals more, but the cymbal you really notice it on is the ride. I would say for a beginner these are good, but I would invest in buying a better ride. I can't stand the sound of the one in this set.