Just to be straight, these are PRACTICE cymbals. They are QUIET. I would never consider playing out with these, even in a coffee house scenario. Maybe others would, but I would not. If that was the purpose of these, I would not go 5 stars. I had a set of Gen16's. The cymbals were OK for practice, I was not very happy with the sounds the processor made. I figured I could sell the Gen16's as a set, so I looked into the different practice cymbals out there. I am in a single family house, but have old neighbors very close. I don't need the quietest cymbals, so I figured I'd shoot for the ones that were the most pleasing to my ears. For crash cymbals, the L80's and these are fairly similar. I actually wound up creating a set with these Quiet Tones and a couple of L80s to get some different sounds mixed in. Where the Sabians excel is in the ride and, to a lesser extent, the hi-hats. I liked the sounds of both of them, but the bell on the Sabian ride is NOTABLY better than the L80. Once I decided on the Sabians, this set from Sam Ash (sold as used, but could easily have passed for brand new) was BY FAR the best deal out there. Very happy with the purchase.